tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8732486.post1537687377301194572..comments2023-10-26T03:19:41.569-07:00Comments on Stephen Bodio's Querencia: Paradox of NutritionSteve Bodiohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14434597061701369867noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8732486.post-89204509913617799312009-05-13T14:43:00.000-07:002009-05-13T14:43:00.000-07:00Steve I was thinking also about your house when wr...Steve I was thinking also about your house when writing about my increasingly home-centered life. <br /><br />Our place has a ways to go before reaching Bodio-grade richness and interest. But then, we don't have a good bar within walking distance, so we may never get there!Matt Mullenixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11198069782508775543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8732486.post-26920746180679387882009-05-13T12:47:00.000-07:002009-05-13T12:47:00.000-07:00A lot of us are coming to this way of life both th...A lot of us are coming to this way of life both through a commitment and because of varying degrees of poverty(especially as we age). And then we find it is attrative, end write about it, and if we are lucky find younger people, even family members, going in the same direction.<br /><br />My ger or stone house will have hounds and hawks and pigeons and maybe a horse, but I suspect it will have a laptop.Steve Bodiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14434597061701369867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8732486.post-84353692792654524902009-05-13T09:00:00.000-07:002009-05-13T09:00:00.000-07:00And if it happens in my lifetime, will I still be ...<I>And if it happens in my lifetime, will I still be able to blog about it? ;-)</I>May be time to dust off the manual typewriter and recharge the Pony Express. :-) Hay is probably cheaper than stamps these days!<br /><br />My dad once asked me if I'd be happy if everyone returned to the horse and buggy. Of course I would, given some stipulations: antibiotics and analgesics have to stick around. <br /><br />But I don't think that will happen. I think "peak oil" will prove a brief hickup and be replaced with durable electrics and nuclear power. In a way, it will be worse, even with a substantial switch to "green" energies. Whatever we choose outside the horse and buggy (and all other forms of creaturely work) will release us from our natural limits. And we have proven time and again we are not reliable animals when unfettered.<br /><br />What difference will it make to tuna stocks if the fishing fleet is nuclear or diesel powered?<br /><br />What difference to sage grouse if our energy comes from high plains drilling or high plains wind farms? <br /><br />What we know is that given energy without limits, we will use it without limits. <br /><br />To avoid this scenario we have only one option: opt out. We will increasingly have to choose to do more physical work and rely more upon outselves and neighbors. We will have to accept greater responsibilities and live within creaturely limits. <br /><br />What are the odds even a sizable minority of us will do so given an easy alternative?<br /><br />Who knows? But it's time for us inclined in this way to start making a good argument.Matt Mullenixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11198069782508775543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8732486.post-37064190482931817812009-05-13T08:23:00.000-07:002009-05-13T08:23:00.000-07:00Good answers!
Part of me wants that simpler life....Good answers!<br /><br />Part of me wants that simpler life. I do live a lot of it - gardened food, home-cooked meals, hunting. <br /><br />But here I am glued to my computer with my high-speed internet connection, tied to a job 18 miles away that pays my mortgage.<br /><br />I'm quite sure humanity will revert some day to that lifestyle that has dominated most of our time as a civilized species on this planet. What goes up must come down. The only question is when. <br /><br />And if it happens in my lifetime, will I still be able to blog about it? ;-)Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8732486.post-52268704754410083082009-05-13T05:58:00.000-07:002009-05-13T05:58:00.000-07:00"And we've all gotten accustomed to spending that ...<I>"And we've all gotten accustomed to spending that time elsewhere..."</I>I want to adress that good point too.<br /><br />The fact that we have any time to spend elsewhere is probably an artifact of this economy. In a different economy (the one we've almost always had), we would be spending time at home or near home. Our current roaming habits are supported by cheap fuel, widespread car ownership, good roads and retail shopping centers.<br /><br />What does a life look like that is centered instead around a home?<br /><br />One thing apparent to me is that a home, if it is to entertain and support a family, must be a place of work and interest and some beauty. I think these characteristics can be acquired by any home in an incrimental fashion, a measured way responsive to changing needs. Mine has.<br /><br />Over the past five years, our family life has become more centered around our home and neighborhood. Depite the fact we still need to paint it(!), the house's setting has become a more interesting, welcoming and beautiful place. The Confederate jasmine we planted at the base of each carpor support pole has now grown thick and spread along added latticework to frame an outdoor living space. We've moved the cars from beneath the shelter and replaced them with outdoor furniture and plants. There is a durable central playset inthe back yard, which has grown a clubhouse on top. The garden has spread from one raised bed to three and now surrounds the hawk's pen.<br /><br />Our neighbors are now our friends and we spend a lot of time with them, relaxing after work, sharing meals and swapping kids. The more time we spend at home, the more reasons there are to remain.<br /><br />We have a sit-down family dinner every night.<br /><br />Is this all a waste of time?<br /><br />Would I rather be in traffic? Would I rather be dropping my kids off at structured after school activites half-way across town and eating fast food to make up the time?<br /><br />Obviously not! :-)Matt Mullenixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11198069782508775543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8732486.post-67207944054238176162009-05-13T05:37:00.000-07:002009-05-13T05:37:00.000-07:00Holly: That's a great question. Certainly those l...Holly: That's a great question. Certainly those like Howard Kunstler feel the failing economy will <I>bring about</I> catastrophe and force self-sufficiency (or else feudal servitude) on us all. Others such as Wendell Berry might tell you the present economy <B>is</B> a catastrophe and that we are living in its wake now. (I heard the phrase recently: "Hell is here, nor are we out of it.")<br /><br />I think the present situation is complicated and the future impossible to predict. However, it's clear that people do respond in certain sensible ways when pressure is applied; and generally they respond in a measured way.<br /><br />The current up-tick in kitchen gardening and bike commuting, for examples, are probably reasonable responses to changing economic realities. Recent years' rising gas prices prompted many to move closer to work (or accept work closer to them). My wife and I did this five years ago. Then being within biking distance made <I>that</I> change possible, and it's immediate benefits (economic and health-wise) provided plenty justification. <br /><br />The situation with gardening is similar, although the benefits come perhaps on a slower schedule; it may take two months to produce and a year to sink in as worthwhile. But in the mean time, things grow. And evidence of growth is intrinsically pleasing to some. I think it's a taste that can be acquired, or reacquired.Matt Mullenixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11198069782508775543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8732486.post-81299050814587423992009-05-13T05:07:00.000-07:002009-05-13T05:07:00.000-07:00MIke: There must be a lot of variation in the clin...MIke: There must be a lot of variation in the cline between the cultural and acultural sets. I'm a pretty good example (of something!), having come by my hunting and gardening through apprenticeship rather than family (Mom and Dad taught much else, but not these). There are many ways to pass and receive cultural goods, and probably every little bit helps.Matt Mullenixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11198069782508775543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8732486.post-72646783415338975242009-05-13T01:09:00.000-07:002009-05-13T01:09:00.000-07:00So, Matt, do you think this economy is enough to w...So, Matt, do you think this economy is enough to whip people back to self-sufficiency, or does it take something much more catastrophic to do that?<br /><br />Knowing what I know (mostly from watching my boyfriend do all the work of gardening and cooking), eating well takes more time. And we've all gotten accustomed to spending that time elsewhere...Holly Heyserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03134909592916671876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8732486.post-85679816049102728662009-05-12T15:25:00.000-07:002009-05-12T15:25:00.000-07:00I recall being struck by Peter Jenkins' contrast o...I recall being struck by Peter Jenkins' contrast of the eating habits of two of the families he stayed with in North Carolina in his book "Walk Across America". That's not a perfect example of lack of culture, though, as he helped one of them build a pig pen that they used to raise hogs for meat. <br /><br />Good post, Matt.mdmnmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00191436711956580423noreply@blogger.com